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Davis molecular anthropologist, sunstone symposium, 2002. It contains a record of gods dealings with three groups of people who migrated from the near east or west asia to the americas hundreds of years before the arrival of europeans. The haplogroup x saga clearly indicates that there is no consensus on matters relating to migrations from the old world to the new. The book of mormon is the word of god, like the bible. Haplogroup x found in the altains is not related to native american haplogroup x. While there are some x motif markers present in some neanderthal mtdna samples. If you read and pray about this book, in the name of christ, god will make the truth of the book known to you through his holy spirit.

All opinions, speakers and presenters represent and express their own individual opinions, and not necessarily the opinions of firm foundation, book of mormon evidence, or its employees, and no information or opinions represent the church of jesus christ of latterday saints. The book of mormon tickets the book of mormon tickets. A very plausible lost and missing novel by solomon spalding manuscript found, separate and distinct from the oberlin manuscript has not been ruled out by mormon apologists. The book of mormon is a sacred text of the latter day saint movement, which, according to adherents, contains writings of ancient prophets who lived on the american continent from approximately 2200 bc to ad 421. Search at, the number one source for concerts, sports, arts, theater, theatre, broadway shows, family event tickets on online. Joined mar 28, 2014 messages 1,223 reaction score 169 points. As far as science has been able to determine to date, lineage x has been in the americas probably long before book of mormon times based on both carbon dating and the molecular clock. The common ancestry of mitochondrial haplogroups is defined by differences and similarities in mitochondrial dna, a kind of dna that is contained in the mitochondria of cells. Haplogroup x distribution haplogroup x distribution matches the historical record given in the book of mormon and bible. The book of mormon and the origin of native americans from. Fourteen centuries later, in 1823, the angel moroni led joseph smith to the plates hidden in a hillside in upstate new york. Heres your first look at the new book of mormon videos lds.

Rediscovering the book of mormon remnant through dna. Entries will be accepted at the box office beginning two and a half hours prior to each performance. Although the musical satirizes organized religion and the literal credibility of the church of jesus christ of latterday saints, the mormons in the book of mormon are portrayed as. Latinautor warner chappell, amra, latinautor umpg, latinautor, walt disney. The mormon haplogroup x apologetic february 28, 2018 adam lee. There is a strong correlation between the ojibwa tribe of the great lakes area, and the druze of israel. According to the book, two of these groups originated from ancient israel. John dehlins mormon stories essay on dna and the book of mormon makes the following claim. In this book he promotes the idea that the x haplogroup, a rare dna lineage found among native americans, may be evidence of israelite dna in new world populations, a claim that supports the book of mormon. Public hosted by texas performing arts at the university of texas at austin and bass concert hall. X2 mtdna in galilee northern israel and the 12 tribes in human mitochondrial genetics, haplogroup x is a human mitochondrial dna mtdna haplogroup. The book of mormon the hand of mormon translated by joseph smith, jun.

The mormon church, on the other hand, continued to proclaim that the book of mormon was the most important and accurate book on earth. Its yours for the price of a ticket to the book of mormon. The annotated edition of the book of mormon aebom is lined with purported evidence, both archaeological, anthropological, linguistic, and genetic, that the events of the book of mormon took place in the heartland of the united states. They were around in 100200 ad before joining the hopewells. Indeed, one recent study found a variety of haplogroup x in egypt that is just one mutation away from the type found in native americans, which undermines the critics previous claims that native american haplotype x2a has too many mutations from the haplogroup x haplotypes found in the middle east to fit a book of mormon timeframe for a migration from the middle east to the americas. The book of mormon also contains this wonderful promise to know of its truthfulness. Hi im superpensfan8771, ever since i was a little kid ive always loved taking care of reptiles, playing the guitar, and doing almost ev. Dec 18, 2014 village performing arts centre full time 2014 perform turn it off from the book of mormon. Dec 15, 2014 why the book of mormon is the great american novel when a jewish author sets off on quest to understand the fantastical foundational text of mormonism, he ends up learning more about himself. To see just how accurate and robust the mormon stories essay on dna and the book of mormon is, lets do a tally of what sources are cited or otherwise linked to in the essay the first source cited in the essay is dr. This is one of the new entries in gospel topics on. In spite of this, meldrum along with his coeditor david hocking invokes this same dna evidence in the annotated edition of the book of mormon 554555.

Expert is a resale marketplace, not a box office or venue. Dna and the book of mormon archives mormon stories essays. The aebom regurgitates rod meldrums amateur opinion on native american dna and why haplogroup x is. Book of mormon evidence here is an important scientific problem with this fellows claim about haplogroup x.

Its important at this point to bring up the two main people ill be talking about in connection with moneyball and the book of mormon. A book of mistakes, error, and fraud by jon gary williams introduction the mormon church promotes the book of mormon as an inspired writing. According to mormon belief, the book of mormon was inscribed on golden plates by generations of prophets, quoted and abridged by the prophethistorian mormon, and buried in the ground by mormons son, moroni. The videos will be available on a new book of mormon videos youtube channel, mormon channel platforms and existing book of mormon and gospel library apps for use in church classrooms, in. The presence of mitochondrial haplogroup x in altaians from south siberia a striking example of the presence in american indians of genotypes not from haplogroups ad is haplogroup x. Book of mormon musical opening number hello youtube. Dna analysis has concluded that native american indians do not originate from the middle east or from israelites but rather from asia. The book of mormon wikipedia, a enciclopedia livre. This remarkable find coincides with the true book of mormon geography which is centered in western new york not mesoamerica because the nephites were nearly exterminated, any chance of locating an existing tribe carrying nephite dna on book of mormon land is unrealistic. And we know that if we are faithful in christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and. It is a record of gods dealings with ancient inhabitants of. Although this point has been hit on quite a bit, id like to add a few points to the discussion of the x haplogroup as evidence for the book of mormon. Dna vs book of mormon incredible new evidence general.

In fact, their study of x dna is consistent with the idea that the general region of the middle east west eurasia ultimately could have been the source of the haplogroup x dna found in the americas, though they give dates based on standard dating assumptions that are many thousands of years too early to explain haplogroup x in the americas by an appeal to the book of mormon. The book of mormon by church of jesus christ of latterday. The book of mormon spooky mormon hell dream lyrics by azmad202. They use a specific genetic haplogroup x2a to argue that the hopewell indians, like the nephites, are from semitic caucasianjewish lineages 538. He started using batting and fielding statistics that few people paid.

Mormonism looks to joseph smith as its founder there are about twelve major divisions among mormons. Jun 25, 2008 free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by project gutenberg. Youve heard the scripture, ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened unto you. Rodney meldrum recently published a book rediscovering the book of mormon remnant through dna. A response to wayne may book of mormon archaeology in. This is why haplogroup x is also irrelevant to the heartland and great lakes models of book of mormon geography. For anyone to claim that haplogroup x cannot be related to the book of mormon, they must first demonstrate the following. I spoke to them specifically about the x haplogroup that meldrum is using as evidence, and they all cautioned me against using it as evidence. That haplogroup x mtdna is descended from the homo sapiens neanderthalis. A new page posted on the lds churchs website says dna studies cannot decisively affirm or reject the historical authenticity of the book of mormon.

Even more unlikely is the suggestion from milton r. Lineage haplogroup x in the america is an unusual marker, but there is absolutely no evidence to link it to book of mormon people. Even if we had sariahs mothers dna and it had the x haplogroup it doesnt change the fact that kennewick man was walking around in washington state with a genome chock full o haplogroup x 5,000 years before. Both books contain gods guidance as revealed to prophets, as well as religious histories of different civilizations. Haplogroup x, found throughout the middle east, has been found in high frequency of native american tribes throughout the great lakes regions. Maternal dna lineage in the new world number of individuals this table includes data on 7,317 individuals published by simon g. Ces letter links to a poorly written wikipedia article as the basis of their sweeping claim.

Mormon 1 1 and now i, mormon, make a record of the things which i have both seen and heard, and call it the book of mormon. The book of mormon states that they were all killed off before the nephites landed, save ether and coriantimur. In other words, native americans whose ancestors include book of mormon peoples may not be able to confirm that relationship using their dna. The x haplogroup also occurs in europe, north africa and the middle east but the x lineage family is very old 30,000 years and old world and native american x lineages are distantly related. Book of mormon and dna studies by michael degroote mormon times and deseret news february 4, 2014 february 4th, 2014. But of added importance, researchers were now firmly convinced that the near or middle east was the geographical place of origin for the haplogroup x, a place which incorporates the palestinian territories, mesopotamia, the caucasus, syria, lebanon, jordan, cyprus, and israelright where the book of mormon places the colonies of lehi and mulek. There were no humans before adam, therefore haplogroup x dna couldnt possibly be 12,000 years old, nor could any human dna be more than 6,000 years old. Theres a lot of subissues, and ill link to lots of things from the video, but im just going to focus on the most critical issues here, and im hoping at the end of this video youll be very upset about anyone that uses this as a criticism of the book of mormon. I am not a geneticist, but rod meldrum, a leading researcher who has published on the x. Bolnick, phd of the university of texas at austin successfully sequenced dna directly from 21 sets of remains of the ancient hopewell people which had been archaeologically procured. The church of jesus christ of latterday saints takes no official stance on the geography of the book of mormon. The book of mormon the major mission of the book of mormon, as recorded on its title page, is to the convincing of the jew and gentile that jesus is the christ, the eternal god, manifesting himself unto all nations.

Hi im superpensfan8771, ever since i was a little kid ive always loved taking care of reptiles, playing the guitar, and doing almost everything to do with the outdoors, like fishing or hiking. Lost civilizations of north america documentary4, deborah bolnick on haplogroup x. The theory postulates that haplogroup x comes from the levant i. The book of mormon and the x haplogroupagain fairmormon. Although such dna studies are interesting, their results neither prove nor disprove the authenticity of the book of mormon. Coriantumr, the final survivor, is then said to have joined with the mulekite tribes destroyed before 500 bc not the successful adena 200 bc 500 ad. For the twelve million members of the church of jesus christ of latterday saints worldwide six million in the united states.

The producers of the book of mormon are pleased to offer lowpriced lottery seats for every city on the national tour. The presence of haplogroup x in the americas in primarily limited to the great lakes area which is one of the proposed models for book of mormon geography, but it is also found to lesser extents in other parts of north america. Hunter and thomas stewart ferguson ancient america and the book of mormon, p. I have produced a video on dna and the book of mormon called the book of mormon and new world dna, and interviewed and spoke with many lds geneticists. Book of mormon dna evidence is the holy grail for mormons and antimormons alike. Why the book of mormon is the great american novel the. Tom ragen turn it off from the book of mormon village. Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. Learn all about the tonywinning smash hit musical comedy thats one of broadways biggest blockbusters ever.

Haplogroup x2 dna and the book of mormon us message. The genetic sequences of haplogroup x diverged originally from haplogroup n, and subsequently further diverged about 30,000 years ago to give two subgroups, x1 and x2. Jun 10, 2012 the book of mormon original broadway cast recording licensed to youtube by. Looking for tickets for the book of mormon seattle.

This haplogroup represents a minor founding lineage that is restricted in distribution to northern amerindian groups, including the ojibwa, the nuuchahnulth, the. While the bible is written by and about the people in the land of israel and surrounding areas and takes place from the creation of the world until shortly after the death of jesus christ. Lead vocals by tom ragen, logan dunstan, sam malseed and aj nerona. My quote although this point has been hit on quite a bit, id like to add a few points to the discussion of the x haplogroup as evidence for the book of mormon. The book of mormon speaks of sheep, swine, horses, and elephantseven though they werent brought to america until centuries later by europeans in postcolumbian times. Over onehalf of all the verses in the book of mormon refer to our lord. It does not seem that haplogroup x can serve as good evidence of the book of mormon s antiquity. A new study looks at the druze population in lebanon and northern israel to examine the high frequency of haplogroup x among them. Scientist show that israel is the place that haplo group x spread from. Much as critics and defenders of the book of mormon would like to use dna studies to support their views, the evidence is simply inconclusive. It is the kind of evening that restores your faith in musicals, enthuses the washington post. Galilee druze of israel have the most genetic diversity of haplogroup x. Galilee druze individuals represent the refugium of an ancestral group with high diversity and high frequency of haplogroup x, which was more prevalent in the region in antiquity, and from which the global diversity of x mtdna haplogroup emerged. The dating of haplogroup x is troublesome for the book of mormon but the geographical distribution of haplogroup x is spot on.

Studies in the late 1990s began to ask whether the. There are probably as many gradients between these two views as there are people trying to address this specific topic. The lenba sic are a group of 80,000 south africans who claim jewish heritage, practice many jewish rituals, and claimed to be descended from small group of middle eastern men perhaps as small as seven who migrated to south east africa 2,500 years ago and intermarried with the local women. What made haplogroup x of interest to believers in the book of mormon is that the haplotype x2 is not found in asia but mainly concentrated in europe and the middle east.

We welcome everyone despite political andor religious beliefs, and we continue to encourage the right to free speech. Nephi and his family immediately separated from laman and went into the wilderness. And as far as haplogroup x is concerned, there is absolutely no point in considering it as supporting evidence for the book of mormon. Haplogroup x subclave x2a was considered to be a 5th native american founding haplotype, although it is not present with the same frequency as the other 4 a, b, c, d. The mormon hypothesis, which states the haplogroup x in north american could be the result of descendants of lehi and sariah as mentioned in the book of mormon. Haplogroup x is of near eastern origin, and its presence in the americas represents the surviving legacy of lehis party arriving in the western hemisphere some 2,600 years ago. The book of mormon contains many religious themes, most notably those of faith and doubt. Book of mormon and dna studies, posted at on friday, is one of several additions or enhancements to the sites.

Beane is the general manager of the oakland athletics, and he is at the center of moneyball. The book of mormon by church of jesus christ of latterday saints and smith free ebook project gutenberg. Haplogroups are genetic populations that share a common ancestor. Nothing is known about the extent of intermarriage and genetic mixing between book of mormon peoples or their descendants and other inhabitants of the americas, though some mixing appears evident, even during the period covered by the books text. Wikipedias other article on americas settlement does not. Dna evidence proves book of mormon claims about ancient. With a wildly diverse community from all sides of the political spectrum, continues to build on that tradition. The only other place on earth where haplogroup x is found at an elevated level apart from other american indian groups like the ojibwe algonquian is among the druze in the hills of galilee in. In this video, im going to talk about dna and the book of mormon. Rediscovering the bom remnant through dna book of mormon. The religious order known as the church of jesus christ of latterday saints mormons is a very industrious group. The mormon haplogroup x apologetic february 28, 2018 adam lee patheos explore the worlds faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality.

The article book of mormon and dna studies gives an explanation of the limitations of population genetics and dna science. David read the surprising new dna evidence supports the. Perhaps related to the haplogroup x question is that of the red paint people of ca. However, after a fair and candid examination of the evidence, many thousands of honest mormons have discovered that this claim simply is not true. Again we see the joseph smith was thinking about animals in his current day as he was fabricating the book of mormon. Lost civilizations of north america documentary4, deborah. The book of mormon, the founding document of the latter day saint movement and one of the four books of scripture of the church of jesus christ of latterday saints lds church, is an account of three groups of people. That the rate of mutation upon which their claim is based is factual, meaning based on solid observational evidence, and not on theoretical musings. I have come to know the book of mormon was translated by the gift and power of god by reading it, applying its teachings, and. There is generally no direct support amongst mainstream historians and archaeologists for the. The proponents goal is to support the book of mormon with dna by tracking mtdna haplogroup x among native americans. Dna evidence for book of mormon geography miscellaneous. Response to rodney meldrums incredible new dna evidence. Haplogroup x is found in living populations in europe, west asia, and northern north america.

The book of mormon claims to be a divinely inspired record. According to the heartland model lehi and his family landed somewhere between the florida panhandle and mississippi. Hi sparty, this concept was discussed recently on this thread. Some claim that the book of mormon fits best in a geography located around the great lakes, and that this is supported by a mitochondrial dna group called haplogroup x2a. The church of jesus christ of latterday saints affirms that the book of mormon is a volume of sacred scripture comparable to the bible. Please click through to the respective venues website for the latest information on performances and ticketing questions.